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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 20, 2007 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

Hey, cool list!

http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/rhythm.htm

I knew the site but had never stumbled on that page. What an insane time signature for Money, Money--no wonder it sounds off-kilter. And I can't believe I never noticed that To Lay Me Down is a waltz!

Thanks for reminding me about UJB, which makes 4 1/2. I don't think we can count Money Money, since its time signature would have to be the number of beats in the entire song--1267?

So far we have Estimated Prophet, Lazy Lightning, Supplication, and half of Uncle John's Band. The last one is an instrumental, so it's not on the site. Any last guesses before I reveal the answer?

This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2007-09-20 22:17:27

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Poster: ducats Date: Sep 20, 2007 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

who gives a shit

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 20, 2007 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

Hey, we all enjoy different things in their music. You presumably enjoy boppy little dance numbers.

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Poster: Boners Date: Sep 20, 2007 5:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

U.S. REDS .......... COMMI BASTARDS

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Sep 20, 2007 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

instrumental...so...

Slipknot!

It feels 7/4...but I'm not 100%

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 20, 2007 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

Okay, at great personal risk of finding life too marvelous to endure, I've just listened to Help>Slip>Franklin from 1ftV to see what the time signature of Slipknot is. I've always known that something strange is going on rhythmically in Slipknot, but I enjoy listening to it too much to waste time understanding it.

Anyway, the opening is a 24-beat riff, which I assume reduces to 6x4, since the bulk of the jam is in 4 beats. At the end is the real weirdness. Using all my mental resolve, I kept beating out 1-2-3-4 during it and ended half a bar off at the end (3-4-1-2). It sounds like they're intentionally slipping (hence the name?) one beat back with each time through the riff, which could be 7 beats against a background of 8, etc.

It's like in the transition to The Eleven, where the opening jam is in 8, then Jerry starts playing a 12-beat riff (4x3), the rest of the band led by Phil goes into 11 beats, and Jerry keeps playing 12 over it, switching the accent by one place each time so the accent is at 11-beat intervals even though he's playing the same 4x3 repetitive bit.

All of that is by way of saying Slipknot is not what I was thinking of. The 7-beat instrumental played at a breakneck pace and introduced in 1975 is...King Solomon's Marbles! I posed the question last night because I'd been listening to the Eyes>KSM on 1ftV and was surprised to find yet another tune in 7-beat time. There's clearly something remarkable about any "rock" group that jams in 7-beat rhythms, but that they can improvise so fluidly together in that rhythm shows once again how far beyond any other band they were.

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Sep 20, 2007 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD Trivia Question (Beat Me Daddy, Seven to the Bar)

Wow! Good find. I never would have thought of that one. Guess I just don't listen to KSM very often.

Jamming in 7 (or any of their other weird time signatures) is one of the most impressive things that the Grateful Dead did. What's especially remarkable is the fact that they had SO many songs in weird time signatures. It's easy enough (sort of) to get used to a certain song with a time signature. For example, if you listen to "The Eleven" or Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" enough, you can figure it out and get used to the time and learn to jam to it. However, many of their songs have weird sections to them which meant that the boys always had to be on their toes. Especially those Rhythm Devils!

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